from the holdman notes -- and holdman's notes were never designed to be transcripts -- we have just defense of nixon discussing how to fight pack, how to -- how to fight back, how to go after them. let's, you know, defend with a good offense. that's all we have. so the tape itself has provided no new clues. holdman's notes are rather limited, and the national archives did a spectral analysis to see if they could see whether there had been another page that had been ripped out and thrown away, and they were looking for indentations. yeah, you're smiling. look, people actually try to figure out if there are conspiracies, really. [laughter] and nothing. >> i was going to say, you don't think there was anything deeply sinister beyond what we already know sinister. >> well, i'll tell you my, i mean, i've said -- i'll tell you what struck me as really interesting about that tape was how it had been handled. it was my job at the national archives, at the library i wrote the new water bathe gallery at the library, and i looked into this. i had an interest in tapes. i had run a project analyzing tap